What's Next? A Beer Hall Putsch?
Posted by Allman at 2/4/2008 11:56 PM and is filed under uncategorized 
Yeah...I'm comparing them to Nazis. The Artie Johnson foolish kind.
Ann Coulter says McCain has "no honor"?
Mitt Romney says McCain and Hillary are "indistinguishable"?
Rick Santorum, who got his rear handed to him in Pennsylvania, is now an expert on how to elect Republicans?
Others claim, without providing an ounce of factual information, that Huckabee is taking votes away from Romney, when any moron can see that Huckabee and McCain are more alike than different. (Romney was a TSONGAS guy in 1992 for cryin' out loud!)
And then we have those who dare to keep comparing Romney to Reagan and the anti-McCain movement to some kind of preservation of Reagan's ghost. Bwaaaaahhhh!
You mean the Reagan that cited the Golden Rule that "those in 80% agreement are not 20% traitors" ? THAT Reagan?
Keep whining like liberals. Make Romney the nominee.
They'll be held responsible for a Democrat President in 2008, and you will not have seen a Putsch like the one that's gonna be rammed up the Republican Party rear end.
BINGO! Jamie. You are right on the mark.
Two words sums it up: "Bain Capital".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_Capital
Check out the Clear Channel link embedded in the link above to see who is on the payroll. It's simple - follow the dollars. These "Great Americans" (hint) are throwing us under the socialism bus while shilling for their boss.
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I'm with you all the way Jamie. I am a dyed in the wool conservative, pro-life, pro-military all the way but these talk radio heads & other conservative voters to bash McCain #1 for what he has done for this country.
I realize the economy & immigration are both big issues BUT, how many times have the Republicans beat the Dems over the head with their being soft on the War on Terror and now people don't want to back or vote for the ONLY person who has a chance to beat the Dems in November.
Give me a break! Have some common sense plus some common decency. This man spent 5 years as a POW. Shame, shame, shame on Ann Coulter and her ilk.
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JD, Pardon me but I don't get what you are after here. It's immoral or illegal to make money?.....Hannity ET AL are shills for somebody namely Romney??? Didn't the link say Romney left to tend to the Olympics?? Help me out here please..
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I hope you have a better reference than wikipedia. I'm not saying it's wrong or right but, I can't trust a reference that comes from a site that can be changed to whatever a person wants it to say. There are a lot of college professors that will not accept paper that have references from because of the gross inaccuracies that seem to be all over that site.
Let me let ya'll in on a little secret......EVERY POLITICIAN IS IN IT FOR THE MONEY!!! If they tell you otherwise, they're lieing! That is what they do, they lie to get what they want. Then they help out their buddies with all those f*$%^ing "earmarks".
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Absolutely nothing immoral or illegal about making money. It just strikes me as a little Clintonesque when someone uses their microphone for influence without full disclosure. Sort of like Hillary running around the country slamming Bush for his ties to the Saudis while Slick Willy is taking $10M from them for for his library.
Hey Sarge - Since you're so up on Wikipedia, exactly which part of the Romney to Bain to Clear Channel to Limbaugh et. al. is false. Romney may have given up day-to-day control of Bain, but he certainly hasn't divested himself of it. In fact, he wears its success as a badge of honor; and rightfully so. My beef isn't with Romney, it's with his shills who are indirectly on his payroll and not disclosing it to the public.
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Where to start? Jamie, didn't you start this page to provide direct opposition to the McCain/Kennedy immigration bill? Now we should give him a chance to become a conservative? Why? Has McCain ever shown himself to be conservative, other than his support of the war? Debbie, being a POW/war hero does not a conservative make. The only one that can beat a Dem. in November? Why must conservatism be sold out to win? Do we have so little faith in our ideology that we believe it incapable of defeating liberalism and winning a gen. election? J.D., check your facts a little closer, your source is wrong on several points. Leave the vast right wing conspiracy theories to the libs.
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JD your wiki link is more than misleading and it clearly says who is and who isn't on clear channels payroll but you ARE making it sound as if every right leaning talk host is on their payroll. They are NOT. Some shows are syndicated and carried on C.C. but I would think that being the single largest radio station owner might have a little to do with it ...Reckon? Innuendo and half truths just don't cut it . So .... Hannity is to say " I might be on C.C. so don't pay any mind to what I say." THEY ARE NOT SHILLS DUDE.
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I'll take Romney's conservative conversion at his word and hope he's true. McCain and Huckabee have not recanted many of their liberality and that which they have has been on the campaign trail.
I didn't hear Rush's comments, but I've read the snippets and he's right. Principle over winnability. It is why I voted for the Constitution Party last election and why I'll probably be voting for them or the Libertarian Party again this time around, even if Romney wins the nomination... because I certainly will never vote for a blatant RINO. In the primary at least I accepted Romney's word as that is all we can do for any person. Had Thompson still been in the race I'd have voted for him in the Primary.
Take Romney at his word or not. Stick to principles, not the winner mentality.
Have McCain as President and we will see no change in Congress (perhaps even a greater divide towards the Dems and libs) and a lot of actions that will tick a lot of Conservative voters off that voted for him.
Have Romney in office and pray his word is true and with his business prowess, hopefully we can see a change in our economy. Even if he flips back, it'd be the same as having McCain in office or worse, Clinton. We should take our chances with Romney.
Recently though, I've been taking another look at the candidates, and if Romney doesn't win the nomination, I am seriously considering Ron Paul if he accepts a third party bid - unless someone like Keyes accepts a Constitution Party nod.
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As a vet, I take exception to this. The Nazis are those walking lock-step behind John McCain. There is nothing wrong with questioning somebody who has gone out of his way to be a thorn in the side of Conservative Republicans since 2001, and apparently flirted with leaving the party altogether on two occasions. As for Santorum, he lost liberal PA because he never wavered his support for the war and other unpopular causes. That, my friend is integrity.
If after the smoke clears, McCain is the nominee, I will likely vote for him. However, I will not be a cheerleader.
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If they aren't shills then why are they in lock-step with one another, overlooking Romney's flip-flops on almost every conservative issue? I never said EVERY host is on the payroll, but if you look at who are on the list and do a quick Romney shill lock-step correlation you will find it turns out to be 100%. And you think this is a coincidence? They weren't even in this much agreement over the immigration fiasco last summer. FOLLOW THE DOLLARS, DUDE...they're all millionaires for a reason!
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Personally I voted for Romney. But there is no way in hell I would ever doubt Mccain's patriotism or honor. It disgusts me that anybody would. Especially from fellow conservatives. This is something I would expect from the Demoturds!!
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.....JD I do hereby grant you the obfuscation award of the day. Congrats slick....
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Amen!
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JD, has Romney flip-flopped on anything while campaigning? According to reports he "converted" to conservative ideals such as being pro-life BEFORE throwing his hat in the ring. What has he waffled on since? Huckabee on the other hand has changed his stance on immigration during the campaign, and that's just one point of flipping. Romney has admitted that his liberal ideologies were wrong. McCain and Huckabee have not recanted many of their past liberal actions or ideologies.
We can only take people at their word. Whose word are you going to accept?
I can only hope that people who dislike McCain do not willfully vote for Hillary or worse, Obama just to spite McCain. I could not in good conscience admit that I voted against my personal conscience in the name of vindictive political rankor. Why people cannot consider voting third party is beyond me. If you're not going to vote for any of the above out of conscience, then at the very least study all of the third parties and other candidates and vote your heart.
I proudly state that I voted Constitution Party in 2004 and it's looking like I'll vote for them or the libertarians again this go round.
Forget political tactics. Vote your principles. Vote your heart and vote for that person or party that best fits with your ideology.
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"Others claim, without providing an ounce of factual information, that Huckabee is taking votes away from Romney"
What was West Virginia then?
(Romney was a TSONGAS guy in 1992 for cryin' out loud!)
Can't take a person's conversion at their word? If you don't believe him, then don't believe any recantations on the campaign trail that come out of the mouths of Huckabee or McCain. Either we have to accept someone's word as their honor or not. If Romney's change is purely political, then so too are the "conversions" of Huckabee and McCain (though I don't recall any off hand - therefore he must still stand by many of his previous liberal actions) on some points.
"Keep whining like liberals. Make Romney the nominee.
They'll be held responsible for a Democrat President in 2008"
The same could easily be said of McCain. He is not garaunteed the election and even if he wins the election that does not garauntee the continuation of the GOP.
Mayhaps it is time that the GOP goes the way of its predecessor, the Whig Party. Maybe this is finally the beginning of a multi-party system in this nation.
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Perhaps it IS time to restructure as well as rename the Republican party. Let the Dim-O-Crats inherit the liberal Repubs, and let the real conservs form their own party....as Logus suggested. I for sure would align myself with them..
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Hey BullMooseAmerica,
First of all Jamie did not create BMA to create opposition to McCain/Kennedy, BMA's introduction to the blogosphere was just right on time with that particular issue.
I have been struggling over this McCain issue like everyone else here. One thing I never expected was for Rush and Ingraham etc, to lambaste the guy like they have been. I grew up on Rush, took his book (The Way Things Ought To Be) and The Bible to Somalia. I was hooked on Rush and I owe a lot to him..... respect him big time.
Up until about a month ago I hadn't listened to Rush in ten years. I listened awhile about ten days ago and this was his quote...
" I would rather have four or eight years of Hillary or Obama and have the conservative movement in tact, than to have four or eight years of McCain and have the conservative movement diluted"
Is that how some here feel? Not me. I think the hype and "conservative movement" fear mongering is bogus, a grand stand and exaggerated.
Rush and the like would have one beleive that the conservative movement will never be the same if McCain wins the Presidency. That is BS folks.(Where is Rush's great faith there?) Your beleifs and all conservatives or liberals will not be swayed or changed by one man.... Our governement has hardline conservatives in seats in all branches...Checks and balances.
McCain is not the man I wanted leading the pack at this point, but Giuliani and Thompson ran a campaign that only a can of Ensure, four Geritols, and a tube of Tiger Baum could be proud. Old and lethargic....I am stunned by those two still to this day.
These radio folks keep falling back on the days of Reagan. I love the man too guys. I do. I have a picture of him in my office. He will probably be the greatest President of my life time. No doubt.
Times are changing. We can keep Reagan ideals in our hearts and strive for them, but different times bring different solutions. The solution is not sitting out an election because a man liked McCain zig zagged between the aisles. These radio folks that are smearing McCain, you have to remember, are entertainers, bravado, ego etc. etc...Not that they don't care, but that element is there.
Who do you think (honestly) would do the most damage to the conservative movement McCain? Or Obama/Clinton? I think you know the answer.
We could have an Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama White House....add The First Bubba to that mix??? You think that's better than McCain??? Better vote.
Romney is toast. Huckabee is the VP, let's come to that realization BMA....
Don't let the rhetoric of sour grapes from talking heads blind reality. This is what we have.
Read Teddy Roosevelt's quote on Jamie's header..."Do What You Can, With What You Have, Where You Are."
Thx LTL....
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I think you missed the boat with McCain Jamie. If anyone should feel betrayed for having carried the water for the last 8 years, only to be stabbed in the back, look no further than John McCain. He systematically injected himself against his own party, and worked with Democrats instead of his own party.
Pro life? He voted FOR embryonic stem cell research.
He accused Alito of being too conservative.
He voted against tax cuts.
Instead of standing up with his Senate colleagues, he banded together to form that gang of 14 to circumvent the Republican leadership in the Senate in the judge nomination process.
He voted for amnesty.
He want's to close Guantanamo and bring the terrorists into the legal system.
He sponsored legislation that limits my free speech rights but not the media.
He says he'll reach across the aisle to work with Democrats. Why not work with REPUBLICANS for a change?
And now, this absolutely disloyal Republican wants my support?
Not a chance. He's a liberal, and enjoys working with liberals against all the conservative issues over the last dozen or more years.
You're dead wrong Jamie. McCain is the traitor to the conservative movement, not Laura Ingraham.
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Reality, thus voting for the lesser of two evils, McCain, is not in my consideration. The state of the conservative "movement" is not in my thoughts either. Principles are. Voting for who I believe the best Party and or person for the job is foremost in my mind. I have gotten to a point in my life where I am sick and tired of politicians, of deals, of compromise, of believing that the US has to be number one and that we have to be abroad.
Either our Constitution is living and breathing as every liberal in this country believes and the ACLU efforts to fashion it, morphing it into that which we Conservatives cringe in horror, or it is a dead document as Justice Scalia has noted. If that is the case, then we must stick to the Constitution, and that is something that few politicians are doing, liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican. I don't recall if it was Rush or Farah from WND who said that Conservatism's problem is that it is inheritly defensive. The liberals are on the offensive, they are progressive. You cannot win/take over in a battle with defense, you can only hold your ground. Conservatives need to realize that we must not settle for second best, for the lesser of two evils. We must vote conscience, and not continue the dead horse that is obviously our two party system that's become a political zombie. Heck, one of the main reasons that I liked Thompson is because he left the Senate in disgust. But men like J.C. Watts and other politicians who don't make a career out of it and are genuinely interested in helping our nation are few and far between. Instead, we have to accept a career politician like McCain and accept his hogwash that he is a Conservative and that voting for him will be good for conservatism? Baloney.
Our nation is having economic problems. It could well get worse. Staying abroad is in the best interest of our economy? Hey, I'm all for keeping our country safe, but we can deal with terrorism at home if our boys are home. We cannot deal with our economy if we continue to bleed ourselves dry and create a nation that becomes nothing more then an economic province of China!
Screw the world stage. We need to get this house in order. We need to get our debt under control and our economy back on track. We need a wall, not a fence on our border and we need to elect politicians that we trust and have far more hope and faith in then the band of three the GOPs hands are in now.
Would I like to see Hillarious or Hussany in office, no. Would it be the end of the world? No. Will I sleep better knowing I voted my conscience and not voting Party line and loyalty? Yes.
As far as I'm concerned, get us out of the UN, boot the UN out of the US and pull all of our troops out of every nation abroad. Screw the world. I'm tired of us being the police, then getting bad-mouthed because people don't like what we're doing.
It's time to kill the Republican Party or give it a complete overhaul.
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McCain is not a conservative nor a republican. He is all for 'reaching' across the aisle but has rarely 'reached' on his own side. He wants the base to come to him after years of ignoring or calling them racists and fools. Putz.
But, come November, I will most definitely hold my nose and vote for the loose cannon only because the democrats are that much worse. My vote will be a vote against them, not one for him.
Funny how McCain's camp have already stated that they would not run negative ads on Obama, but didn't have a problem with a fellow republican.
If the red queen winds up running against him, he is in for a lesson on the meaning of the word 'negative'.
So, whilst we wait for our shit sandwich come November, everybody look on the bright side...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo
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Vote third party, then you can sleep at night and not have to hold your nose when you vote. Conservatives and this nation are screwed either way, whether McCain wins or Obamama-dingaling or Hillabub does. Vote your conscience, not for a lesser of two evils or a vote in desperation.
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Sorry Logus, I cannot do that. I cannot martyr my vote to pure marxists, corrupt and rotten to the core.
Nasty as McCain is, the alternative is much worse.
There is a good chance that McCain won't put another Ginsburg on the Supreme Court or appoint the same on fed. courts. There is no doubt what Obama or Hillary would appoint.
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http://spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12700
A conservatism without the natural law is simply willful liberalism in a more respectable guise, moving more glacially than the left's transparent one, but essentially agreeing that man is the measure of all things and political disputes, no matter how obviously they bear upon the God-given nature of man, are to be resolved by power and man's desires.
Both reason and bitter history should tell conservatives that sawing off the natural law leg of its stool makes the whole thing collapse. Without principles rooted in reality upon which to deliberate about the size of government proper to human beings, economic conservatism evaporates and foreign-policy conservatism turns hubristic.
In principle, what he said. It gets back to our founding documents and how these power hungry sell outs have and will go for their own benefit.
(though I don't agree with his support of Huckabee, another big tent, compromiser.)
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And thus I vote on principles.
Here's an article to peruse:
http://www.constitutionparty.com/news.php?aid=725
And here's an email I just sent to the RNC:
Conservatism in the GOP is dead. As one commentator stated, Evangelicals and true conservatives within the GOP have been treated like the blacks within the DNC. We are fed up.
I recieved a "census" questionaire from your organization in the mail a few weeks ago. How lovely to turn it over and see begging for money. $11 to process my donation and feeding my "census" through a scanning machine? You opitimize the height of bureacracy and what conservatives stand against. Why would I send you money? I have sent money to no political organization or individual, nor will I.
I found the census a bald face lie. Asking for me to give my opinion on where I want the GOP's direction to be? Puleeze, you have had your minds made up long ago. It is plainly evident that you are doing nothing than selling a lie to conservatives and have been for quite some time. If your organization truly was interested in true conservatism it would have made it clear that McCain should have extricated himself from the GOP when he first considered it. Furthermore, if you truly had conservatism in mind and not just keeping the GOP alive for the sake of it as a business, you'd have put more support and help behind Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter and especially Ron Paul. But you have not because you are nothing more then the opposite side of the same coin that the DNC is part of... a coin that is becoming more and more liberal.
I do not vote along party line. Never have. Never will. I have often not voted Republican because I vote my conscience first.
The Republican Party needs one of two things to happen to it. Reform or die. Either reform it truly with the Reagan ideology that you all love to wrap yourselves in, wearing it like a sheep-skin over your wolf-hide, and rid yourselves of the likes of John McCain, or die like your predecessor, the Whig Party.
If John McCain truly does win the GOP nomination, several things will happen. True, some conservatives will vote for him in fear of the Democrat nominee. But will that be enough to win the election? Consider that many are seriously thinking about "suicide" voting, vindictively voting for the Democrat nominee out of spite for a blatantly non-Conservative Republican candidate being the GOP nominee. There are also many who voted before giving thought to not voting at all. And finally, there are those who will vote for a third party candidate who they feel more closely aligns with their conservative convictions. I for one will be that voter, casting my ballot for a third party as I did last Presidential election. The only true conservative third party out there with any presence is the Constitution Party.
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email continued...
The Republican Party is not the Party of Conservatism. The past 8 years have evidenced this. John McCain can woo and lie all he wants. He has not recanted many of his liberal actions and has made his convictions about conservatives known in the past. He can lie all he wants and try to shmooze all he wants, but he will not win over the vast majority of thinking conservatives who are willing to vote conviction over fear.
Both Congress and the President have very low approval ratings. That should tell you something. It's not the Democrats alone that are the issue. It's you that is the issue, and until the GOP stops being an organization interested in power and control, until it stops being a party pandering to all sides especially the middle, it will not be a party that conservatives will trust or continue to back, much less to hitch their wagon.
Huckabee can get the vp nod all he wants. This Conservative, Evangelical Christian finds him deplorable. I do not vote for running mates. I could care less who a vp candidate is. I vote for Presidents, and I will not vote for McCain, even if Barak wins the Democratic nomination.
This country is lurching leftward. If I'm dead, I'm dead, I'm not going to care how I die, only how I live, and until I die I will live by my convictions.
Sincerely,
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An absolutely beautiful summation of the feelings of this conservative, Catholic, and regrettably, Republican American.
This will be the first time since 1980 that I'll have cast a vote for other than the Republican nominee for President of the USA. I can't say that I'd be insane enough to vote FOR a democrat, especially those two, but I will pick whoever is on a conservative ticket, or I'll write in Duncan Hunter.
Now, back to Jamie if I might.
McCain IS A TRAITOR, and without honor. And no, I'm certainly not referring to his veteran status. I'm talking about how he treated his party, and the conservatives, and Christians that make up the base. He regularly, and predictably, stabbed his party in the back in order to make a deal with the political enemy, inevitably to the growth of Fed and the restriction of liberty of its citizens. Even Hillary didn't champion legislation that limits free speech. John McCain did, and it bears his name.
It's not a stretch to call him a man without honor, since that is how he's behaved to the members of his party, and how he's treated the conservative base over the years.
He is a disaster in the making. He will work to institute the religion of Global Warming as the official religion of the Federal Government, in direct violation of the Constitution. The sale of indulgences will begin, with the Fed as the recipient, all to assuage our guilt of carbon addiction. That's a platform Al Gore would be proud of!!! What more does this RINO need to do before it becomes obvious to you that he's not a man worth voting FOR.
Being a prisoner of war in Viet Nam is a great story of heroic triumph over a personal hell, but it is no qualification for being President. I'm interested in what he's done since then, his 20+ years in Washington, that merits his consideration for my vote. Proclaiming his pro-life stance as consistent means little to me when I consider the barriers he's raised in the Senate when it comes to picking judges. When he agrees with fetal stem cell research as something the Fed should be involved in, I wonder where he finds this in the Constitution? When he is confronted with a Constitutional duty, he wants to offer amnesty to the offenders and platitudes to the offended. And he sees nothing wrong with limiting my right to criticize a politician for 60 days before an election.
Jamie, his behavior in Washington over the last 20 years is a disgrace. I never once would have voted to send him to the Senate. I'll be damned if I'd cast one for him to be President. I couldn't live with myself having done that. I don't know how anyone, who looks at his public service record in Washington, could do the same. Which leads me to believe that they are either willfully ignorant or aren't really interested in the pro-life, pro-family, pro-citizen, low tax, smaller government agenda they say they are.
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Jamie,
I can't keep up with you! You change your mind more than Romney. Now I wake up in the morning to hear you talk like McCain is the answer. This after YOU screamed against illegal immigration to the point where some could honestly question your belief in our most treasured American principles (tolerance). Once again you are missing the boat here and come November conservatives, at least me, will sit out this election. I served my country for over 20 years (during peace and war) and I love it way too much to settle for what the Republican party is trying to sell as an acceptable candidate. This is my payback for McCain stabbing conservatives in the back for the last 8 years.
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McCain vs. Clinton : : : Oh god , the neo-cons have won .....
stop changing your mind allman .... first it's rudy , then its romney , and now mccain ????
Mccain is the worst choice , he won't even get a pity sympathy conservative vote .
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Thanks Bill,
You "sitting out" is a vote for Hillary/Obama if they win? You and those that think like you will be true "agents of change".....enjoy.
Thx LTL
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.......So all you pissers and moaners would rather have the Hil or the barracks???? No I know, you are gonna teach this country a lesson and not vote .Right? It is what it is my friends now we have to make the best of a bad situation but for Christ sake get aboard and lets try and keep this from going deeper into the toilet .....please. There is enough blame for all of us to have a bowl for breakfast so lets us not have a bowl of stupid.
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Pete S.
Then vote for Hillary/Obama...I mean with their fine example of service to our country and all.... Sit at home and cast your vote for Clinton/Obama... I mean hell surely they have more honor than McCain and have done little damage and intend less future damage to the conservative movement than McCain right???
Thx LTL
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Amen Wayne...Amen
Thx LTL
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.......For the record....HULLO....when a candidate drops out ya kinda have to move on to the next one see? and Vi effin ola. When and if that dude drops you ....any guesses here? Yup you move on down the slate to the next duckie in the row. And what do we do when we get there? Why bless my soul....change our little bitty mind and start kinda ya know rootin or hope he might win .....just for the hell of it or or or hey I know we maybe hope to defeat the opposition and do what we HOPE is best for OUR country. Stay home or not or vote for Donald Duck. NOT me skippy. It's McCain.....My first choice ?? Not even close.. It is the same old shit kids ...The Lesser of the evils . Do what you gotta do but dont try to sell me your ideas or try to "teach " me what Jamie is thinking with this board.
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