Good Tasing, Bro.
It's hard to believe so many jackasses on one of my favorite sites, www.Hotair.com , are defending yet another prissy punk who wound up getting thumped by a cop after giving the officer a hard time.
It happened in Utah.
Here's the video.
Hotair authors and posters claim to be "conservative" and "common sense" but most of them described this incident as police brutality, claimed there was no threat made by the man, and called the cop a thug.
Here's what the ignoramouses missed.
1) Being asked to sign a ticket is actually a courtesy offered by law enforcement in lieu of throwing your ass in jail. What you're signing is a promise to appear in court. It allows you to essentially post bond with your signature instead of having to go to intake and post the bond there. It also allows you to keep your license.
2) When you refuse to sign your promise to appear in court then you, asshat, need to come in to the station and post bond.
3) The asshat who tried to hide behind his pregnant wife was accused of violating a law by a sworn officer of the law. His demand that the officer escort him while they reviewed the posted speed limits etc. was outlandish. You have a right to a speedy trial but not right there on the scene.
4) The jerk is lucky he didn't have a gun pointed at him after wandering back to his car and motioning towards his pocket. It's VERY clear on the video that the guy has his right hand making gestures towards his pocket. Suspects have been shot with real guns for doing this. Police officers have been killed because they ignored such gestures.
When are we as a society going to stop continually demonizing law enforcement?
If you're going to speed be a man about it when your busted.
The rules are simple. Yes sir. No sir. And whatever you say sir.
Is it wrong of me to enjoy watching a good tasing?
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The retired police officer in this video gives a pretty good account:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ifEvD2PSd8&feature=related
Boo hoo. the mean policeman was a little gruff in speaking to the smart-ass speeder. "Turn around!" said twice by the officer as the idiot walks away putting his hand in his pocket. The guy is lucky his hysterical wife didn't get a tasing as well.
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Jared Massey should have been wearing a Don’t Taze Me, Bro!™ t-shirt from BobMcCarty.com to ensure his dislike for tasers was properly conveyed to the Utah State Trooper.
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Jared Massey should have been wearing a Don’t Taze Me, Bro!™ t-shirt from BobMcCarty.com to ensure his dislike for tasers was properly conveyed to the Utah State Trooper.
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Allman, so if an officer pulls you over and does not tell you what you did nor reads you your rights, nor says the reason for getting you out of the car is to arrest you. Your saying thats okay with you along with having your family in the car?
Its called RIGHTS? I thought this was common sense?
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I agree he should not have started walking away, but I never heard of this procedure for not signing a ticket. The cop should of dropped it when he would not sign the paper and deal with a bench warrant if the guy is a no show in court. Jamie, this one is too far fetched. He pulled right over and was no threat to the cop. I have heard of many that do not sign the ticked when they believe the ticket is not warranted.
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A sad day in Australia. Howard is out. Rudd in.
He has said his first acts as prime minister will include pushing for the ratification of the Kyoto climate agreement and to negotiate the withdrawal of Australian combat troops from Iraq.
Oh brother. Not a good sign. Kyoto is a joke and they only have 550 troops in Iraq.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/24/world/asia/24cnd-australia.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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That cop really had no RIGHT to taser him .
If the initial stop was for a speeding ticket and the man refused , he should have been issued a ticket by the internal means of the police force .
example : if you run a red-light cam , you still get a ticket but its mailed to you , without any police interaction . Which is an option .
The man did not "gesture" , he was being quietly defiant , which last I checked was not against the law .
Police Officers have way too much power and authority currently , what ever happened to the times when they would help elderly people across the street and give neighborhood children baseball cards ? ?
Thank your congress for letting this go on .
The whole idea of people getting arrested for these "extra" offenses is obsurd , because the power and discretion lies purely upon the officer and not the rights of a U.S. citizen ..
Can We Say PoliceState ?
I am ashamed of the boys in blue everytime I see a video like this .
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--example : if you run a red-light cam , you still get a ticket but its mailed to you , without any police interaction . Which is an option .--
The cams should be tore down, 1984ish maybe? hmmmm but it was oooonly a boooook. the bottom line is he was speeding, why be defiant at all?
"quietly defiant" is that another new term to justify idiocy?
--Police Officers have way too much power and authority currently , what ever happened to the times when they would help elderly people across the street and give neighborhood children baseball cards ? ?--
Apparently when someone can't take a speeding ticket like a man police don't have that much respect or authority, as far as helping elderly people across the street and baseball cards, ummmm i'm sure if they did that and your home got robbed you'd be the one saying "where are the police? handing out baseball cards and helping people cross the street?" aaaaaaand the days of helping elderly people cross the street? are gone because we have a bunch of disrespectful, selfish idiots in this country that think the law doesn't apply to them simpley because they don't like it.
--Thank your congress for letting this go on .--
Congress shouldn't handle the police dpts, if not on a local level the highest level should be the State Government.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand finally, police state? where? when? and how? i know a few people that were pulled over within the past year, none were abused, maybe it's the respect thing, they took their ticket just like they should have? A friend even got a DUI as well and they didn't abuse him at all...
oh btw, the cams on stop lights and intersections are more like a police state.
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oh and...i'm sure the cop will take his punishment without being defiant.
The absolute bottom line....fight the damn ticket in court....not on the street...
i dunno how people think arguing the ticket with the cop will get them out of it...ya catch more bees with honey...which means ya most likely get a warning if you're polite and respectful. ..it's common sense, it's not lying down and taking it from "the man"...yeesh get a brain.
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.....IT IS illegal to not sign a ticket. IT IS a promise to appear. There is a rash of cop baiters out there. We had one here , the kid with the video cam did the same stuff. Yall listen Annie. Yes sir no sir thank you sir.May I have another sir?Oh wait!!!!!!!!!
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A few things--the posters who seem to have a problem with my argument are just making it al up as they go along.
Again, the offer to sign a summons in lieu of bail posting is a courtesy. The officer has several options in the event of a signature refusal and one of the options is telling the asshat to get out of the car and put his hands behind his back for tranference to jail to post bond. Over the top? yes. But whose fault it that?
The Massey dude gestured towards his pocket. He's lucky he wasn't shot.
Miranda rights are indeed to be given but the law does not say they need to be read when the suspect demands it. Sometimes a suspect is even given a card that has the Miranda written on it. You notice in the interview in the aftermath that Massey never complained of his rights not being read to him, now did he?
For you to somehow look at situations, lie about the circumastances, and then start vomiting Founding Father crap is a disgrace to your citizenship.
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Forgot one other thing: the driver was accused of speeding in a construction zone. You all know fines are doubled etc. Police have a lot of discretion in situations like this.
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And yet another thing: Lest you think I'm a total holster sniffer--I believe the red lights cams are a scam and probably illegal. You have a right to be confronted by your accuser. The trick is simply not to respond to the mailed ticket. They'll never fight you on it. They count on just about 30% of those who get the tickets to comply. They still get rich.
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Red-light cams are scams and illegal ...
If in St. Peters , (where mayor sean brown took the bribe to install redlight cams) --- there is yet to be a law stating you have to actually pay the ticket -- in fact the only thing you pay is a "Technology Fee" which essentially is paying a hundred dollars for a picture of your car because you don't get points on your license .
Jeff -- Nice job dissecting my opinion , I give you an A+ , print it out and hang it on your fridge !
Jeff - I am saying that you can actually be arrested for a speeding ticket , but obvioussly that wouldn't make very much sense to do that , so they leave it up to the officer's discretion .
and The flip side of that coin is that , when an officer has discretion and chooses not to incarcerate he has to be 100% conscious of a person's civil liberties . Which in this case it looks like the officer was looking for a reason to hand out a good tasing .
There is a difference between civilly disobedient and being blatantly uncooperative .. True , the man should have been a bit more polite as common courtesy , but nothing in that tape shows me where he deserves to get tased .
But when an officer commits to his choice of discretion , he has to play it by the books . The cop was playing a bully waiting for his moment of attack where he felt like he would have the most legal defense to his actions . I wouldn't be surprised if the man sues or something and actually comes out on top .
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THeins, Are you always so condescending after you give a left handed compliment? Mayor took a bribe??? The first words the cop said -after salutations- going a little fast back there or words to that effect. SOOOOOO this cop was running up and down the construction zone JUUSST waiting for some one to ambush???"playing bully" Why yes sir I bet this cop gets his cookies just laying in the weeds and tazing unsuspecting motorist. 'pose it's daily???? weekly??? hourly?? Tell us who else you don't like and please refrain from platitudes and vulgarities.PLEASE!!!!
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Yes Sean Brown took the money from the company who installed the light cameras ...
The Board of Alderman would not grant funding for the project so Sean Brown illegally took money from the company who sells them ... so more of a kickback than a bribe , but he's in jail anyway .
The cop definately has a right to pull people over for speeding wherever he chooses , no doubt . But , The tasing aspect of this particular stop is definately a bully move by the officer .
The citizen did not pose a threat , if he didn't sign the ticket , just mail it to him , but the cop escalated the situation by drawing his taser gun in the first place .
The man never made any kind of threatening gesture to the officer , the cop was just looking for a reason to try out his new sparky toy .
All I'm saying is that there are a number of ways this situation could have played itself out peacefully without the use of a taser , even with an irate citizen and a cop that's pushing the envelope of authority .
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Myopia
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Did you miss the hand in the pocket gesture, again a comment from someone who has never been in this situation! Have you ever watched an episode of Cops and seen all the disrespect those Police officers take and keep their cool the way they do? Jump into the shoes of the police officer -(FBI statics say cops are dying at the fastest rate ever, State Trooper out in a rural area, man reaching into his pocket).
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Anyone notice it's the cop's fault? the teacher's fault? the boss' fault?
*sigh* for the good old days when respect actually mattered, values counted for something.
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I agree Jeff.
I have friends and family in law enforcement in Collinsville, Caseyville, Edwardsville, and Belleville, my buddy next door is a State Trooper...
All of them say that the hardest thing to deal with is how when they have someone pulled over that they are automatically treated as the enemy. My friend that is a cop in Collinsville told me that it's the smart assed kids that get under his skin. He said the kids nowadays have little or no respect for the law.
You mentioned teachers. My wife is a school teacher and she said that the most frustrating thing is with the children that need help at home. On EVERY report card etc, she always will write a note that little Johnny needs additional help at home with spelling?
The parents do nothing with little Johnny at home and the blame always gets put on her.
For some reason that I can't figure out, today the good guys are the bad guys and the bad guys are the stars...
Thx LTL
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Failure to comply with an officer's lawful request is, in and of itself, an offense. A tasing is completely justified. In fact, I'd like to see a written policy STATING that if you refuse to comply with an officer's instructions 3 times you WILL be tased!
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I was finally able to watch the video. The Cop tased the guy WAY too early. The famed "Reached in his pocket" move that a lot of the folks here say is an aggressive move is actually passive. The guy was 'grounding' his hand. Looking at it dispassionately, the guy wasn't making an aggressive move and was walking away, NOT fleeing, but increasing the space between the officer and himself.
If the guy jammed his hand in his pocket and then started drawing it out, then I could get behind all the "He could have had a gun" asshats out there. But that is NOT the case. He put his hand in his pocket and KEPT IT THERE. There was NO aggressive or threatening action. Yeah, sure, the guy wasn't the most calm person in the world, but he wasn't being aggressive towards the officer. I see worse agression towards the counter guy at my local McDonalds.
Folks, The cop jumped to his "It won't kill him or cause any permanent damage" weapon a bit too soon. Should the cop be fired? No. Should he be disciplined? Yes. He over-reacted. I'd be willing to bet $100 that the guy is getting a whole bunch of crap from his fellow officers in the HP for this.
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"It's hard to believe so many jackasses on one of my favorite sites, www.Hotair.com , are defending yet another prissy punk who wound up getting thumped by a cop after giving the officer a hard time."
Oh, and Jamie, yes you DO tend to defend the police NO MATTER WHAT the facts are. It's a dangerous game when you, or someone with your influence says the cops are always right. Cops are just people, with all the faults and failures that everyone else has. Unfortunately, they have guns and power.
Please do not reply that I am anti-law/police. I respect the law. I have also seen a lot of "over-energetic" application of the same.
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Here's another example of a Law Enforcement Officer abusing his power. (I couldn't even type that line with a straight face). You'll see what I mean -
http://www.biggeekdaddy.com/humorpages/Misc/lawnmowerDUI.html
Guy on the lawnmower is a complete idiot.
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